ASUS PRIME A320M-K AMD Ryzen Motherboard review
ASUS PRIME A320M-K AMD Ryzen Motherboard review
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ModelBrandASUSModelPrime A320M-K
Supported CPUCPU Socket TypeAM4CPU TypeAMD AM4 Socket Ryzen with Radeon Vega Graphics / Ryzen 1st Generation / 7th Generation A-series /Athlon X4 Processors
ChipsetsChipsetAMD A320
MemoryNumber of Memory Slots2×288pinMemory StandardAMD Ryzen with Radeon Vega Graphics/ Ryzen 1st Generation Processors
DDR4 3200(O.C.)/ 2933(O.C.)/ 2666/ 2400/ 2133
AMD 7th Generation A-Series/ Athlon X4 Processors
DDR4 2400/ 2133
* Hyper DIMM support is subject to the physical characteristics of individual CPUs.
* Refer to www.asus.com for the Memory QVL (Qualified Vendors Lists).Maximum Memory Supported32GBChannel SupportedDual Channel
Expansion SlotsPCI Express 3.0 x16AMD Ryzen 1st Generation Processors
1 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)
AMD Ryzen with Radeon Vega Graphics / 7th Generation A-Series/Athlon X4 Processors
1 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x8 mode)PCI Express x12 x PCIe 2.0 x1
Storage DevicesSATA 6Gb/s4 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), grayM.2AMD Ryzen with Radeon Vega Graphics/ Ryzen 1st Generation Processors:
1 x M.2 Socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x4 mode)
AMD 7th Generation A-series/Athlon Processors:
1 x M.2 Socket 3, with M Key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x2 mode)SATA RAID0/1/10
Onboard VideoOnboard Video ChipsetIntegrated Graphics in the AMD Ryzen with Radeon Vega Graphics/ 7th Generation A-Series APU
Multi-VGA output support: HDMI/RGB ports
- Supports HDMI 1.4b with max. resolution 4096 x 2160 @ 24 Hz / 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz
- Supports RGB with max. resolution 1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz
Maximum shared memory of 2048MB (for iGPU exclusively)
Onboard AudioAudio ChipsetRealtek ALC887Audio Channels8 Channels
Onboard LANLAN ChipsetRealtek RTL8111HMax LAN Speed10/100/1000Mbps
Rear Panel PortsPS/21 x PS/2 keyboard (purple)
1 x PS/2 mouse (green)Video Ports1 x D-SubHDMI1 x HDMIRJ451 x RJ45USB 3.14 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 (blue)USB 1.1/2.02 x USB 2.0Audio Ports3 Ports
Internal I/O ConnectorsOnboard USB1 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 (up to 5Gbps) connector(s) support(s) additional 2 USB 3.1 Gen 1 port(s) (19-pin)
2 x USB 2.0 connector(s) support(s) additional 4 USB 2.0 port(s)Other Connectors1 x COM port(s) connector(s)
1 x CPU Fan connector(s) (1 x 4-pin)
1 x Chassis Fan connector(s) (1 x 4-pin)
1 x S/PDIF out header(s)
1 x Front panel audio connector(s) (AAFP)
1 x System panel(s)
1 x Clear CMOS jumper(s)
1 x Speaker connector
Physical SpecForm FactorMicro ATXDimensions (W x L)8.9" x 8.7"Power Pin1 x 24-pin EATX Power connector(s)
1 x 4-pin ATX 12V Power connector(s)
FeaturesFeaturesSpecial Features:
ASUS 5X Protection III:
- ASUS SafeSlot Core: Fortified PCIe Slot prevents damage
- ASUS LANGuard: Protects against LAN surges, lightning strikes and static-electricity discharges!
- ASUS Overvoltage Protection: World-class circuit-protecting power design
- ASUS Stainless-Steel Back I/O: 3X corrosion-resistance for greater durability!
- ASUS DIGI+ VRM: 6 Phase digital power design
ASUS Exclusive Features:
- AI Suite 3
- Ai Charger
ASUS Quiet Thermal Solution:
- Stylish Fanless Design Heat-sink solution
- ASUS Fan Xpert
ASUS EZ DIY:
- ASUS CrashFree BIOS 3
- ASUS EZ Flash 3
- ASUS UEFI BIOS EZ Mode
- Multi-language BIOS
ASUS Q-Design:
- ASUS Q-Slot
- ASUS Q-DIMM
Operating System Support:
Windows 10, 64-bit
BIOS:
128MB Flash ROM, UEFI AMI BIOS, PnP,WfM2.0, SM BIOS 3.0, ACPI 6.1, Multi-language BIOS, ASUS EZ Flash 3, ASUS CrashFree BIOS 3, My Favorites, Last Modified log, F12 PrintScreen, ASUS DRAM SPD (Serial Presence Detect) memory information, F6 Qfan Control
PackagingPackage ContentsAccessories:
User's manual
I/O Shield
2 x SATA 6Gb/s cable(s)
1 x M.2 Screw Package
1 x Supporting DVD
with the a32 chipset this guy is ready for the latest Andy risin and also to upcoming AP use from the same product family with find ourselves for USB 3.0 ports running off the rising chips as well as the internal chipsets VGA HDMI for again the aforementioned apu collectivities two USB 2.0 Gigabit LAN power by bibliothèque RTL 811 1 haytch chipset there's also two or three port audio interface power by the vo-tech ALC 88 7 chipset which is an 8 channel little guide
there and there is this fairly decent audio performance however if you do have super high-end headphones and you're bit more into the audio spank you probably want to run your own audio solution however this non bought audio is actually really decent for what it is jumping inside this motherboard we also do getting ourselves dual Ram Dems supporting ddr4 technology then
four SATA ports a single m2 slot and a single piece a 16 X spot with 2 1 X lots for any accessories you doing connect up there's also two a single 4 pin EPS power connector for the CPU and also 2 is 6 choke configuration do note however there is no heat sink on the MOSFETs chokes or solid capacitors so overclocking will definitely be limited by not only the power but also to the fact that the a320 chipset does not actually support overclocking thanks to the fact
that it makes up Ami's mainstream lineup if you do want to do some overclocking Mg does recommend jumping to a higher end chipset so the fact that there's no overclocking available basically means there's no real need for a suit behind power delivery system however that being said the power delivery system does looks old enough to run all the different rising chips and
also to what most likely will be the AP is coming down the line so overall power wise I wouldn't have any here also to Asus being the leaders that they are in multiple technologies also to put a whole bunch of other stuff here with things like digi vrm technology over voltage protection cut-offs just about everywhere when it comes to power this motherboard is actually really solid in protecting their components and delivering really cool features that not all budget boards
actually offer finally also to because a sous is a leader they're also to doing things like over 350 different Ram configurations supported out of the box which basically just means there's a ton of support here so really whatever Ram configuration you can pick up at the moment should theoretically work on this board there's also - over 8,000 hours of R&D gone into testing Gus so you can definitely know that when it comes to reliability this guy won't be hot that bad but
translating those sort of specs and things that we've seen so far into the real world and actually building with this guy I have to say it's not heart that bad definitely it is a motherboard the things like heat sinks and a little nice creature comforts bike right angle 24p and right angle USB 3 or right angles data aren't necessarily present here but again we do need to remember that price point which we'll get to in just a moment is rather low so you can't expect a whole
time here but when I was building with it everything fell into place and I really did enjoy using the board once again I would like some of the sort of higher and stuff that we do find on the high end boards today but if you are building a budget system it's not a heart bad deal on the plus side this guy delivers a solid package with just about everything you need to use on there from Endor to PCI Express connection Ram connection everything you
need is just there no sort of extra to little frilly things is just basically simple motherboard ready to go the power delivery system is also do relatively good for the fact that you're not really doing any overclocking and also to the large tabs on the PC and RAM games were a godsend to have IRA still remember the days where we had little trigger arrow things that
really didn't work that great having the nice big chunky connectors on both again the RAM slots and also - over the PCI connection made throwing video card in and pulling it out and throwing RAM in and pulling it out so much easier I'm so happy we've gone away from the days of little levers and latches on air PCI Express connection however on the downside we are limited to one video card support but also to missing out again on the high-end creature
comforts that are more present on higher-end boards such as right angle connectors and the yellow on the audio divider can be an eyesore for some people however the overall neutral color scheme is also to not have that bad overall the board is actually a really decent package coming in most situations point it is definitely going to be a decent buy for those on a budget who want to put together a system without breaking the bank
it delivers all the basic connectivity you need including video cards port end or two support and a ton of SATA ports for a basic system it gets the job done without making too much of a fuss and thanks to the fact that it's in an MHC X configuration it's a little bit on the small side so you can fit it in a smaller build and overall I really do like this board if you're looking to pick
one of these guys up find a link down in that description boxes you pick them up .
the Asus Prime a 320 m - K cheap or trash find out , okay so this is the Aizu spring a 320 m - k this is a micro ATX form factor motherboard this is basically the entry board for a m4 processors and AP use this at the moment on Amazon's even in the US of A so it is a completely cheap budget M board but it doesn't have all the frills and things that you
the Asus Prime a 320 m - K cheap or trash find out , okay so this is the Aizu spring a 320 m - k this is a micro ATX form factor motherboard this is basically the entry board for a m4 processors and AP use this at the moment on Amazon's even in the US of A so it is a completely cheap budget M board but it doesn't have all the frills and things that you
expect from these higher end boards such as addressable RGB RGB multiple fan headers all that kind of stuff this is a basic board for basic systems so if you're building maybe an office PC or a very low-end gaming PC or maybe a media center PC with pretty modest hardware this is gonna be pretty much right up your street and also the money you save on your motherboard
you can spend on other peripherals such as RAM storage or dico stuff or maybe even a slightly faster processor so let's take it out the box and see what works you get for the money so you get enjoy our DVD you get a user guide which because this is such a limited chipset there is literally hardly anything in there that could be almost on a piece of a4 paper you get an i/o shield which
is silver you get to Santa cables get the motherboard itself you got an MDOT to drive maintenance screw and bracket know it's pretty much it there's a wiring diagram and some other paperwork but nothing of any real interest so this is completely no frills no value-added stuff this literally is a motherboard a pretty low-end one at that but like I said this is the perfect thing for low-end pcs you can save a ton of money this effectively is a third of the price of a high
end or mid-range board so you can save that money and put it towards other things so in let's look at the board itself so the board itself pretty much a stock affair you've got actually quite a nice PCB in black with some white highlights so typical for the Asus Prine range very similar in fact to the X 370 boards have gotten the PC behind me and also my review medicine PC both of which are Asus boards I find a Z was forced to be super stable very reliable and the BIOS
updates are pretty much thick and fast these days certainly on to this board so let's start off with the i/o so IO is a pretty standard stock affair you've got keyboard and mouse ports which are the ps2 type which actually if you're a business user a ps2 keyboard and mouse is probably the way to go young gory about USB drivers all that kind of stuff just plug it in forget about it
it's done you've got a VGA output which will be handy if you're using some kind of APU on this you've also got an HDMI output so if you're maybe using this as a media center fantastic four outputs in via the HDMI port you've got four USB 3.1 gem one two USB 2.0 you've got a Gigabit LAN which is the realtor eight one one one chip and next that you've got your real tech audio now there's only three ports on there but it will support eight point one audio or a
channel audio or whatever it is but it will take into account the front I airports so coming from the IO or the advanced front panel connector down the bottom here not the nicest of solutions it would be better to have the six ports on the back or maybe even a optical output again if it's for a media center but like I said this is a trim down no frills board so for most people a simple microphone port and a headphone port there could be more than adequate so what were the
bottom let's look at the other connections we've got four IO so we've got the front panel audio connector next thing is a comport if you still want to use a comp or again if this is gonna be use an office pc cohn ports can actually be useful for older technologies such as hand scanners printing devices all that kind of thing even digital signage moving on then you've got a pair of USB 2.0 ports a USB 3.0 port you've got your front panel connector for your hard drive LED
power LED reset switch on your power switch also is a speaker connector next to the front panel connectors you've got four SATA connectors four SATA drives so that is SATA 3 six gigabit per second you've also got the option for a socket 3m2 so that supports the PCI Express version three times for connection and will so support satyr type drives on the same slot there's a very small heatsink over the i/o bridge there and moving on round you've got your 24 pin power connector and only a pair of memory slots so ideally it would be nice to see four slots
especially if Brown prices were dearer by the moment being that brown prices are so cheap then populates in that with 32 gigs which is the maximum on this board with 216 gig slots is probably going to be wave or kill for this kind of board and setup anyway so realistically I would imagine most people are going to put two eight gigs in there to give you 16 gigs around which is more than adequate for office tasks or for having an absolute ton of Google Chrome
tabs open so at the top we've got a CPU fan header there is another fan header which is this one here the sash a/c fan header in the kind of regular place but that is it for char C fan headers that is it just the two so again this is a limited chipset and it's a limited board so if cooling is your thing really you probably shouldn't be looking at this board anyway but for move set up like I said office use for media center a couple of fans it's going to be absolutely fine moving
right into the top we've got our V RMS now as you can see from the V RMS there is not a lot going on here so we've not got a lot of power phases but again this is a budget board you would expect to see a budget CPU in here even though it will support a Verizon 720 700 X I would say that is a bad choice on this particular board realistically I would say this is going to max out on a rising 5 Roizen 7 1700 push but I think that would be the limit of what you want to put on this
type of board in the top you've got the power connector and again to reflect the kind of pretty unhealthy state of the V RMS you've only got a four pin supplementary power connector not the usual 8 pin that were used to and definitely not an 8 + 4 which is what we get on some of the newer boards so all in all a very basic set up but everything you need is actually there this will run a set up very nicely you don't have the advanced features such as overclocking because of
the limitations of the a320 chip but again if you're using this in the office environment or you just want to be a rock-solid 24/7 machine as a media server or something like that this is going to be a solid and dependable board but without all the fur so there we go there is the a to s Prime a 320 M - K motherboard micro ATX form factor I think it's a budget board this pretty much is the one to go for and in this end of the market there isn't a lot of other choice you can
go for a slightly cheaper makes such as the bio star but even things I generally do tend to come out a little bit more expensive at least with this board you've got the ages brand-name and you've got the reliability of a Zeus which makes this stand out above the others in my opinion now I will be putting links in the description below so you can see the latest BIOS updates and also the other details about this board both from amazon.com and also from Asus themselves so
let me know what do you think of this board I know it's a cheap board it's a budget board and this is definitely definitely not for everyone and it's probably gonna be one of those love it or loathe it types of things for me personally I'd love to do things it's cost-effectively as possible but without cutting corners as in reliability and all that kind of stuff so for me this is great
bugging I'd love to know what your comments are on this board please put them in the section below but there we go this is the Asus a320 Mk I've been white this is my unboxing reviews.
the assist prime a320 MK micro ATX motherboard before we get a stack of comments asking about what CPUs are compatible with this board this board is compatible with all Rison and all AM 4 CPUs regardless of the generation,even though the zoo's prime a320 m'kay might support all current and fall and rising CPUs you might not want to do that with this
ASUS PRIME A320M-K AMD Ryzen Motherboard review
the assist prime a320 MK micro ATX motherboard before we get a stack of comments asking about what CPUs are compatible with this board this board is compatible with all Rison and all AM 4 CPUs regardless of the generation,even though the zoo's prime a320 m'kay might support all current and fall and rising CPUs you might not want to do that with this
board you're gonna see why let's check it out I'm gonna say this once again and once again only it is compatible with all rides and CPUs please don't spam the comment section and ask what it works with yes it'll work with your aim for CPU alright that's out of the way let's check out the board right what do we got here we have the rear i/o shield so you can see the things on the
back of your system look at it it's nice and silver and shiny yes it is alright what do we got next in the box alright we've got an MDOT to screw to screw in em tattoos because this board actually has one m2 slot I'm just shaking it about just to make this board a little bit more interesting what else we got here we have the Quick Start Guide I think I'm not sure it's a piece of paper we've got the specification updates for AMD processors look I'm gonna hold this up
for a little bit so you guys can have a look at this please read this carefully this will tell you all of the things it's compatible with you can even freeze frame this right now however it is compatible with the newest generation CPUs as well that it doesn't say on the paper alright let's shake this oh oh it's like money no it's a Stevie Dee thingamajig I don't know why they still have these in motherboard boxes I'm gonna be honest all right what are we else we got in here we've
got the user guide for using the motherboard pretty straightforward stuff here people something that we have covered to death oh this a secret compartment oh it's good SATA cables in it that's right a motherboard that has SATA cables surprise surprise all right let's get the board out of this plastic sleeve it feels like a plastic sleeve you put paper in because it's a budget board so not everything is as nice as the other boards all right let's take a closer look at what we
get on this board you got your front panel audio connector and a serial port connector some other kind of connector I can't remember what it was two USB 2.0 connectors a USB 3.0 connector and a front panel connector as well as four that's I'm counting that one two three four SATA connectors next up is the 24 pin power connector standard on every motherboard a CPU fan header right here that is also PWM there's no vrm cooling which is why I recommend
using lower powered CPUs and only a four pin CPU power connector right we have a PCIe 16 time slot and two one time slots we have a standard aim for socket with this standard cooler mounting brackets and yet look check it out it opens up just like a name for soakin alright what else we got we've got two ddr4 Ram slots that run in dual channel there's only two memory slots so don't ask if your memory will work as it will also you've got your m2 slot this is a sada
m dot 2 that I'm showing here but it is also compatible with nvm AM twos there's an additional PWM fan connector there's only one other one on the board and this is it you've got two ps2 ports for your old-school mice and keyboards a VGA port for that old-school monitor goodness as well as HDMI USB 3.0 USB 2.0 Gigabit Ethernet and USB 3.0 and also audio and that about
wraps it up , this fort is the cheapest aim for board we could find like at the time that any stores had in stock that's right we actually went out and bought this one it's not supposed to be the best board on the market it's designed to be used with a pea use like the rice and 320 200 G or the 2400 G for business style computers and ultra budget gaming systems with dedicated GPUs like let's say a 1050 TI or an RX 560 I'm not saying it's a bad product I'm just saying that it's
something that we typically wouldn't use here unless you guys wanted to see us do something ultra budget and really cheap and that's what we're gonna do with this board if you're interested in grabbing one of these boards there's a link in the description like I mentioned actually I didn't think I mentioned that but yeah they're
on Amazon right now .
this motherboard features six USB 3.0 ports a 32 gigabytes per second m2 slots and it appears to me that there are five six gigabytes per second SATA ports with that said it also includes support for Rison as well as am four processors two ddr4 dimm slots and three PCI Express slots two of which are the mini PCIe form factor alright let's go ahead and unbox this baby
this motherboard features six USB 3.0 ports a 32 gigabytes per second m2 slots and it appears to me that there are five six gigabytes per second SATA ports with that said it also includes support for Rison as well as am four processors two ddr4 dimm slots and three PCI Express slots two of which are the mini PCIe form factor alright let's go ahead and unbox this baby
shall we ok start with just opening it a little bit and will give the first impressions to you guys so here we go ok we have the motherboard in a little anti-static sleeve right here so just carefully lift it out guys something to note is that when you are unboxing a motherboard always be sure to either keep the motherboard inside the anti-static sleeving or just lay it on top of the
cardboard box as a as soon as possible just to it just to ensure that you do not shock your motherboard or shorted out in any way so for now we're just going to set that aside while it is currently in the anti-static sleeving ok let's just go ahead check out the accessories looks to me like this yeah I think that's how you do it have to look at this oh you know what this just comes
up anyway so if there's this little cardboard I think there are accessories yes there are yes okay good it was just the SATA cables so they have our SATA cables it's - I think these are well one of them anyway is curved at a 90 degree angle as you guys can see I can see we've got some paperwork just the Asus prime manual mother board packet thing and here we also have our CD DVD we'll just set that aside you should probably throw away the DV and download the
latest from Zeus's website we have our eye of shield was very playing IO shield you know it's nothing overkill or anything alright looks to be a standoff with a screw so yeah we'll check out what that is a little bit later so let's just close our box and check out the motherboard something to note guys when you are handling a motherboard always be sure to either keep it inside the
anti-static sleeving or set it on top of the cardboard box as soon as possible in my case I'm going to be taking it out of the outside of the anti-static sleeving and setting it on the cardboard box always be sure never to actually set the motherboard on top of the anti-static sleeving and the reason being that you could accidentally there's actually it's not guaranteed that there's anti-static protection on the outside of the sleeve more like more than likely it's you know
guaranteed on the inside of course hopefully it's guaranteed on the place that the motherboard is actually sitting inside and yeah guys here we have the Asus Prime a320 MK a m4 and rising motherboard you can see what I was talking about earlier we have actually looks to be only four USB 2.0 or four USB 3.0 ports and two USB 2.0 ports as you guys can see right there right here we have the am 4 sockets so if you guys do not know I made a video called how to install
CPU where I well how do you install an Intel CPU I apologize we're basically I talked about a little bit about you know socket since and all that sort of stuff whereas am 4 sockets or just generally the majority of AMD sockets are PG a rather on the Intel side they are LGA or land grid array and as I said for AM D is PGA and if he has no no pj just just stands for pin grid
array which basically just a fancy way of saying the pins are laid out on the CPU in a grid yeah I guess I can go a little bit more into detail with LGA you know it's just land grid array it just means the pins are laid out on the motherboard rather than the CPU um so yeah here we have our five SATA 6 gigabytes per second slots these might actually might actually only be one at 6
gigabytes per second slot yeah and I may have said actually five I meant to say four so yeah we have four SATA slots at least one of these are 6.6 gigabytes per second they may be all six gigabytes per second but I don't know not guaranteed because I would need to look at a bit more information of this motherboard because I don't know a whole lot about AMD
motherboards I know a lot more about Intel motherboards are not Intel motherboards but just you know the LGA motherboards in general because I've typically been a more of a Intel fan over the AMD company so yeah there's just something to let you guys you AMD fans know hopefully you won't just dislike this video so uh looks to me like this uh this motherboard
actually has built-in Wi-Fi we'll check out the user guide I believe this does actually have built-in Wi-Fi as I thought okay so yes I was right it appears that this motherboard features four SATA 6 gigabytes per second SATA slots so you got four of them you don't have any three gigabytes per second slots but um I don't know that's not really needed in 2019 anyway so I
don't know why I'd even complain about that as I said about the motherboard install you know drivers disk you really should throw this out and just grab the latest from a Susan's website just uh just to assure that you have the newest drivers yeah so anyways let's just go ahead and take a closer look at this motherboard so as I said earlier we have four SATA 6 gigabytes per second slots we have our and four reisen socket in the middle of the motherboard as you guys can
obviously see right here we have our two ddr4 dimm slots as you guys can see these are just the regular oh no you know what no these are a lot like my Asus my Asus Rampage 3 formula formula motherboard where as you just slide in the RAM one way and then just clip it down which is very fantastic I remember when I was installing ram into that motherboard for the very first time I actually was so confused and I was like what are these broken yeah let's just go
ahead and take a closer look at the ports we have so for storage as I said we've got those say two slots we've got a one m dot 2 32 gigabytes per second slot so this is for your m dot 2 SSDs which I do actually have one over here I can show you guys this will be featured in the how to build a PC video coming soon um just set that here from now right here we have our a m4 socket in the center of the motherboard as you guys can see we've also got our four six
gigabytes per second SATA ports we've got our two ddr4 dimm slots here we also have three PCI Express slots two of which are the mini PCI Express form factor here we have our MDOT two SSD slot which features 32 gigabytes per second and let's go ahead and take a closer look at the front side of the motherboard aka the i/o of the motherboard the i/o features two ps2 ports so one for your mouse and one for your keyboard I personally think I personally think that is a
very cool feature having our lovely old fashioned mouse and keyboard honestly guys I actually think that's pretty cool we've got our VGA port HDMI port for USB 3.0 ports and two USB 2.0 ports we have an Ethernet port I believe that is just Gigabit Ethernet not 10 Giga but 10 gigabits or anything or megabit Ethernet here we've got our audio jacks so we've got you know for your headphones microphones all that sort of stuff what I think is very very cool about this
motherboard is we actually have built-in Wi-Fi as you guys can see we have our land guard so I'm assuming that's the built-in Wi-Fi if not I apologize for using incorrect terms yeah that is pretty much it well guys thank you very much for checking out my review of the Asus prime a320 mka m4 motherboard I really hope you guys enjoyed bye for now you.
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